The bible is the basis for all our beliefs, if the bible is not real, then everything we believe in has no basis.
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Yeah i agree. Humans wrote, compiled and translated the Bible. there are even portions missing in books i think. But the Bible is proven by signs and wonders!!
ReplyDeleteHi If u dunno who i am too bad,
ReplyDeleteI agree with Clement's point that the bible does indeed have some empirical proof by signs and wonders.
But think about it from another perspective. The God and Jesus in the bible is all for blessing us. If it REALLY were false, then we are simply back to living in the world without a God that blesses us. Hence, back to the "norm". However, if it WERE true, then the benefits are unnumberable.
Hence from a logical perspective, we have nothing to lose from beliving in the bible, and instead, everything to gain.
Myron
i guess there are a couple of ways to think about this. when you say the Bible is true, what do you mean? do you mean that it is inerrant (i.e. historically accurate, everything single detail is right)? do you mean that the Bible is authoritative, i.e. are the words of the Bible God's words?
ReplyDeletei think you might find part 1 of wayne grudem's "Systematic Theology" helpful in thinking about these things.
for now, i present one possible argument to show that it is impossible to prove the authority of the Bible. i don't particularly like it because it can come across as sort of lame, but who knows, it might be helpful.
in science, when we say that something is true, on what authority do we come to this conclusion? the scientific method, logic, etc... so in a sense, scientific facts are true because a higher authority- the scientific method- says so. because we believe in the scientific method, we believe these scientific facts.
so how about the Bible? if we use reason to conclude that the Bible is indeed God's word, then in some sense we are putting more faith in the authority of reason than the authority of the Bible. but that's a contradiction, because God's word by definition is the highest authority there is! so we cannot use reason to conclude that the Bible is God's word, because that implies a prior belief in reason.
the way out in this scenario is that the Bible testifies of itself (1 Tim 3:16, for e.g.). the highest authority attests that it is the highest authority. now can you see why i think this argument can come across as lame?
on second thought though, in John i think we see strains of this kind of thinking in Jesus' words. He testifies of the Father, the Father testifies of Him.
without a watertight proof, the closest we can come to is reasonable certainty. there are some strains of that in Lee Strobel's "The case for Christ". in that, he pieces evidence together to give a strong (but not 100%) case for the Bible/Christ.
Um, experience the Bible for yourself?
ReplyDeleteWhen you see the utter consistency running in the Word from start to end, it becomes amazing and impossible that it was written by so many different authors.
That different people wrote different parts of it is beyond doubt - but why is it all so consistent, as if there was only one author?
Use the law of first mention (something we take for granted) and you will see what I mean!