I've always known Christ died to for our sins, TOOK our punishment, our pain, the wrath....
I heard from someone that Jesus did take our condemnation BUT NOT OUR CONSEQUENCES.
What's the point, if its really like they say-we still suffer anyway... the only thing it takes away is our guilt/ mental burden ..
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Hi If u dunno who i am too bad,
ReplyDeleteI don't think I quite understand your question here.
"Sin" is essentially our "crime", and our punishment or "consequences" is pain, wrath of God, etc.
lol i'm yeow btw! (cuz i'm using this account for my other blog and i dun like to put my name?!?! i cant even rmb why LOL)
ReplyDeleteanyway YA i always thought it was the same thing! then one day ps lawrence was preaching abt premarital sex -_-
(initially i was thinking he was preaching e sermon from a very scared angle - i mean technically, if u preached about jesus, people will just not want to sin, right? but now he talk abt consequenes i was just like wthh are u saying....)
and after the sermon i asked him "i thought god took away all the ____ for our sins?"
he was like oh if god took our consequences, then why do ppl still get pregnant??
(then he asked me not to ask rhetorical qns and ran away. bleh.)
anyway i was quite stunned. after that i was disturbed. LOL.
but i was wondering whether "ppl get pregnant" because......they let themselves feel condemned? i duno?? but then that means its down to what we do/believe/think/ down to US again? *?*
but i still think that god's grace covers consequences as well.....i guess u cld argue that in the "long run" it all works out for good, but uhhh things normally work out after awhile anywayy... i want to know how far God can help. I want to know how far God's grace extends, I want to know how much God can do.
I mean if we say he can do those miracles, what about these? i still think its a matter of whether u believe God is that good...
(sry rushing so a bit rambling!) :D
my thoughts haven't completely formed on this topic yet, so i might not be spot on. but here's my 2 cents worth:
ReplyDeleteconsequences will be there, by virtue of the fact that God has placed natural laws to work. However, by being a son of God (i use son in the sense of position and not of gender), we have access to supernatural laws. so perhaps in a sense we have access to God's grace which mitigates these consequences. in some cases, they are mitigated to the point where there are no consequences!
i think of one of my friends who got pregnant before marriage (before uni in fact). she got married, had the baby. would you consider these consequences? sure. but i look at her now... her baby has grown into a beautiful daughter, God is blessing her in many areas of her life. i'm not sure she looks at her daughter and sees a "consequence". it was a mistake, but things have turned out pretty well.
not too sure what i'm trying to say. but i think the point is quite clear.